Person recorded: Angus David Macdonald

Date: 19 May 2004

Interviewer and abstracter: Morag Forrester

Tape counter: Sony TCM 939

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002: Born in 1937 and his full name as ANGUS DAVID MACDONALD. (This was also a sound check).

007: Says he was born in INVERCARGILL and grew up at THE PLAINS (STATION) near THE KEY where his PARENTS lived. Adds that he spent all his life there apart from eight years at boarding school.

018: Of his earliest memories at home, considers he was probably quite lonely as his BROTHERS, (HAMISH and JOHN) were twelve (thirteen) and ten years older respectively. Tells how his MOTHER would describe him as her ‘late baby’ even into his 20s.

027: Mentions that among the SPEIGHT family (neighbours on REDCLIFF STATION) there were children of his own age. Adds that much of his very early schooling was at his neighbour’s place where he stayed during the school week, returning home at weekends.

039: States his FATHER’S name as ANGUS and his MOTHER’S was EVELYN CUNNINGHAM, adding that her family were from RANGIORA near CHRISTCHURCH.

044: Explains that her maternal ancestors were MCLEODS from the ISLE OF SKYE, SCOTLAND, while the MACDONALDS can be traced back to the MULL OF KINTYRE, also SCOTLAND.

054: Says he has a family tree that extends back to around 1720 but admits to not carrying out any further investigation into his ancestral history.

061: Mentions his FATHER was about eight or nine when his family left SCOTLAND for NEW ZEALAND in 1901. States his FATHER went to school in INVERCARGILL, then shifted to CANTERBURY to work before he was enlisted in WWI where he fought in the BATTLE of the SOMME.

072: States his FATHER who did his service in an artillery regiment was wounded, sent back to ENGLAND and returned to NEW ZEALAND where he managed for RK SMITH at TE AKA, in the WAITAKI VALLEY and later in the MORVERN HILLS.

079: Describes his FATHER then being given the chance to manage THE PLAINS for an UNCLE, DONALD MACDONALD (David’s GREAT-UNCLE) who’d bought the lease.

085: Thinks the previous leaseholders were the CAMPBELLS (of ROBERT CAMPBELL & SONS, holders of other leasehold runs in southern NEW ZEALAND).

088: Mentions that when DONALD MACDONALD took over the lease (in 1912), the STATION stretched to about 8540 acres, all of it leasehold. Goes on to say that the RABBITS spread and the family must have struggled in those days, being a long way from markets for getting stock in and out.

099: States his FATHER arrived at the STATION in 1919 and took over the lease not long afterwards. But adds that he’s not been able to find out how much money was involved. “I don’t think it was a great lot…he showed me a wool cheque for one year and it was only a matter of a few pounds so it was pretty lean pickings.”

109: Explains the STATION was stocked with SHEEP and CATTLE and described the land as being a mix of silver TUSSOCK hill country that was clean (no weeds), GRASS paddocks around the HOMESTEAD while further out there would be FESCUE BROWN TOP.

115: Says that during his FATHER’S leasehold years, the STATION wasn’t carrying many SHEEP. “They might have been carrying 3000 SHEEP on the whole place in those days.”

118: Mentions the effect of the BIG SNOW of 1939. “I think they lost 2000 SHEEP and they lost all the CATTLE out on the hill country…all the cows because it lay for weeks on end and of course they couldn’t…they didn’t have any means of getting food out to them then, in those days, so…”

123: Describes his MOTHER telling him that she quite often went back to CHRISTCHURCH on the train and that she would buy hats there. Adds how she would say that when she got home, there’d be nowhere to go to wear her new hats so she would put them on while feeding the HENS or doing odd jobs around the house.

133: Responding to question, says when he was young he probably heard stories from his PARENTS but like all young people he was more interested in doing his own thing. Adds that now, being older himself, he wishes he’d listened more.

139: As a rider to the above comment, says his PARENTS did talk of having a lot of MAIDS and COWMEN/GARDENERS.

144: On the subject of hired help, says there were many. Adds that in the early 1930s when they converted from HORSES to TRACTOR there would have been a couple of TEAMSTERS for the HORSES, a TRACTOR DRIVER, a couple of SHEPHERDS, a COWMAN/GARDENER, and a couple of MAIDS in the house.

156: Mentions the staff lived on the property “in bits of huts”. Expands on this saying there was a cottage for the COWMAN/GARDENER who would boil water in a big copper pot for the tin bath used by the SHEARERS at night.

173: Agrees that in the pre-electricity days, work was done only during daylight hours. Says there was a small petrol-generator that would run lights in the house, but if it broke down (which was not infrequent) there were problems.

177: Continues this theme saying that getting someone up from INVERCARGILL was always a problem. “It’s a long way to come…on gravel roads and no-one really wanted to come past MOSSBURN. People’d get to MOSSBURN and they’d freak out” (about going any further once darkness fell).

183: Recalls the TELEPHONE connection would cease at 10pm (until morning), cutting all links to further afield. Admits it used to worry him as a CHILD when he came back from BOARDING school, thinking about what would happen if someone should become ill.

191: Mentions his FATHER suffering a heart attack in 1950 and that his BROTHER had to travel all the way to LUMSDEN for the DOCTOR because the telephone was disconnected for the night.

197: Gives his BROTHERS’ names as HAMISH and JOHN, saying both are now deceased.

203: Admits there may have been a difference in his upbringing compared with theirs…says his BROTHERS thought he was spoilt.

207: Considers his PARENTS were still quite strict, particularly his FATHER. As an example, says he didn’t have his own car until his early 20s and used to use his PARENTS’ vehicle, but would only ask his MOTHER not his FATHER for permission, being “a bit scared of him, I s’pose”.

213: Goes on to say that it wasn’t until he was engaged (to be MARRIED) that he had his own vehicle, adding that his friend, BOB SPEIGHT, had a car “so that was alright”.

218: Apart from the SPEIGHTS, says there weren’t any other immediate neighbours to be friends with, although there were people further away in the BASIN, such as the HAZLETTS at BURWOOD, the ROBINSONS at WAITUNA and the FRASERS at THE GORGE.

226: But, he adds, the SPEIGHTS (ALLEN) and MACDONALDS (ANGUS) who didn’t know each other till they arrived in the BASIN in the early 1920s or so, were great mates. He also says the friendship has carried on through the generations.

239: Responding to question, says while he recalls a few parties held by his PARENTS, it was more the case that friends and relations would stay over, particularly for events such as the RIVERTON RACES at EASTER – which was then a major SOUTHLAND event to attend with lunches and champagne.

253: Comments that if there were an event to go to near TE ANAU, his PARENTS would probably have stayed at the TE ANAU HOTEL. But says there were few people living in the town then and getting there was quite a job with gravel roads and fewer reliable vehicles than today.

258: On being sent to BOARDING school, says he was eight years old when he first went to WAIHI (near WINCHESTER) and recalls it as being “quite traumatic”. But believes his PARENTS had no other option but to send him away to school and WAIHI was their preferred choice.

262: Remembers his first visit there “very, very well”. Says that MIKE HAZLETT (from WINTON) and one of the SPEIGHTS were new boys along with him and as they drove up to the school, MIKE had said: “ ‘There’s the chimneys of the old prison.’ ”

276: Recalls being “very homesick” for a while, but that “you soon got over it”.

277: Mentions the education at WAIHI being “pretty basic” and lists the usual subjects, adding that as it was an ANGLICAN school, religious education was part of the curriculum.

281: States there were only about 60 boys at the school – all of them BOARDERS. Recalls the conditions were “really rough” in 1945 with two baths a week and cold showers in the morning. “The tucker was adequate, but…yeah…I used to get hungry. I remember eating orange skins and things like that…(laughs)”.

289: In the dormitories, says there were about 14 pupils in each. Recalls that the youngest boys would have an enforced rest after lunch and on one occasion, while larking around, he broke a bed. But it wasn’t the HEADMASTER, JOHN STONEWIG, that looms in his memory. Rather it was the expression on the face of MRS STONEWIG (JOHN’S mother).

300: Describes the method of retribution as by “jam spoon”. Recalls the fear he experienced anticipating the punishment that would be doled out by the HEADMASTER on the day a ‘crime’ was committed or the following day.

309: That besides, says most of the pupils who went to WAIHI enjoyed being there, despite the cold classrooms in winter.

316: Agrees he looked forward to the vacations at home, even though it was a “real business” getting there in 1945. States it took two trains over the same number of days to LUMSDEN.

324: Mentions that once you were back at school, the PARENTS weren’t seen again till the next vacation. Although he recalls his MOTHER dropping in on him two weeks after he’d started at WAIHI and that ended up being a fairly emotional event.

340: Describes the discipline as being quite strict and was often administered by the prefects. Says there was a punishment known as “the stones”: “Boys that misbehaved…they were sent out after lunch with a bucket to pick up stones…off the football field or the cricket (pitch)”.

350: An alternative punishment was to roll the cricket pitch or sweep the classrooms after lunch.

359: Responding to question, says he was not expected to help out with the work on the STATION during the summer holidays. But he thinks things were different then because the property was not carrying as much STOCK as in later years.

362: Considers what kept THE PLAINS and similar properties going in the 1940s was FESCUE. “If it hadn’t been for the FESCUE we probably wouldn’t be where we are today.”

368: Thinks FESCUE was first sown on the STATION in the 1940s and it “grew and grew”, especially as he considers not much money was being made from SHEEP until the 1950s.

373: Explains the seed was sown in the SPRING and then a year had to lapse before it could be harvested. Describes FESCUE as a GRASS seed that was grown during the war years for aerodromes. “It’s terrible stuff. Once it gets into the ground you can never get rid of it. And it takes all the good out of the ground. And it gets all sort of…all hard, a real hard turf on it.”

383: Recalls hearing price quotes of 4s 6d per pound off the mill, which in those days, he says, was quite a lot of money. And some properties, he adds, harvested a good crop, sometimes using eight BINDERS in a paddock. (It had to be cut and stooked – a traditional form of stacking it to dry in the sun).

392: Admits it was a labour-intensive crop requiring a man on the TRACTOR, one on the BINDER and a gang of men to stook it up in the paddock. Then it was left for six weeks before the THRESHING MILL was brought in.

397: States the MILL was a cumbersome machine and while not every property had its own, there was one at THE PLAINS. Indeed, he recalls there being two, an early version being a CLAYTON and SHUTTLEWORTH: “It’d take you a day to get the MILL set up and all the levels had to be right because everything had to run smoothly…and then you’d have the TRACTOR and a great huge belt running it (the MILL)…and the noise…and there’d be pullies flying around…just as well OSH wasn’t around then (laughs).”

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008: Opens on topic of his progress from WAIHI to CHRIST’S COLLEGE in CHRISTCHURCH which he attended from the age of thirteen.

011: Agrees it was a major change, particularly having left WAIHI as HEAD PREFECT – a position he believes he was awarded not so much for academic ability as for other attributes such as showing good leadership.

027: Admits to finding the COLLEGE quite daunting at first: “WAIHI was like a home and up there it really wasn’t.”

030: Qualifies this saying that if a student appeared to be under-performing academically then ultimately the cane was administered.

045: Recalls getting caned once for fooling around while playing rugby: “Got three of four on the backside…but what boys used to do was put an extra pair of underpants on…(laughs).”

053: Reflects that while he was there, the school’s emphasis was equally shared between academics and sport.

059: Considers himself as being “probably never that bright” adding that he was only there three years. Says he didn’t gain SCHOOL CERT, missing by a few marks.

064: Remembers feeling he’d had enough of BOARDING SCHOOL after eight years of it, so didn’t go back to re-sit the exams.

074: Admits it was a good experience living in the city and that he and his friends would take off on their bicycles at weekends to LYTTELTON and even further.

097: Mentions he was sixteen when he returned to work on THE PLAINS full-time.

100: Commenting further on his education, considers that probably the rudimentary schooling of very early childhood affected his academic aptitude.

116: States he worked at the STATION where eventually his BROTHER, JOHN, took over the running of the property after his FATHER’S heart attack. “Although he wasn’t the oldest, he seemed to be the leader, so…”

128: In the late 1950s, he adds, when FESCUE went out of vogue, they began to develop THE PLAINS and over the next few years, increased the STOCK count before the decision was made to divide the property in 1969.

137: Responding to question, says that during the 1950s, while SHEEP and CATTLE were coming to the fore, FESCUE was still the priority. Adds that probably 400 or 500 acres were dedicated to it.

145: Explains that paddocks then were between 100 and 150 acres. “Pretty daunting when you go into a paddock that size covered in FESCUE, especially if you’re stooking it – walking all the time, all day (laughs).”

154: Discussion switches to the move from leasehold to freehold during the 1950s. Explains that after two blocks of 800 acres each were taken from the total acreage and passed over to two neighbouring properties (ELMWOOD STATION and WAITUNA), THE PLAINS was left with about 6000 acres which the government agreed to freehold to his FATHER at a price of two pounds 10 shillings an acre.

161: Adds that the authorities had no idea of the real valuation of land in the BASIN at that time and expressed regret later that it had been sold at that price.

173: Referring to his FATHER’S earlier (1925) brief ownership of neighbouring MANAPOURI STATION and an ensuing court case, says the people who bought it were also named MCDONALD, but were not related to his family. States they accused his FATHER of misrepresentation regarding the sale of the property, particularly on the STOCK count.

183: Describes it as one of the big court cases of the day in INVERCARGILL and that his FATHER later referred to it as a worrying time, and that he could have been sent to prison. However, in the end, a settlement was reached without such action being taken.

190: Adds that those MCDONALDS stayed on at MANAPOURI STATION until they sold to the CHARTRES (of TE ANAU DOWNS STATION in the mid 1940s).

197: Believes the court case probably affected his FATHER’S health although he couldn’t directly attribute it to the heart attack that occurred in the early 1950s.

202: Returning to his own life at THE PLAINS, says that during the 1950s, he lived with his PARENTS at the HOMESTEAD.

206: Mentions his marriage to SALLY ROBERTSON from CHRISTCHURCH, and that they first met at a wedding party.

209: Gives some background, describing his MOTHER as having been a “bit of a social butterfly” and that he and she got on well. Because his FATHER didn’t enjoy being away from home, he would accompany his MOTHER at social events. Which is how he met SALLY – they were introduced by a cousin and her opening remark referred to his visit (in 1958) to CANADA.

217: Expands on this saying SALLY was a matron at MEDBURY BOYS SCHOOL in CHRISTCHURCH. She’d heard about his overseas trip through his nephew, ALASTAIR, who attended the same school. “Anyway, that was the start, so…”

231: Says they’d been courting for about a year before they were engaged to be MARRIED.

241: States the ceremony was held at ST BARNABUS CHURCH in CHRISTCHURCH on the 14th of June 1961.

253: Recalls that SALLY’S father died shortly beforehand but her mother wanted them to go ahead with it anyway. The honeymoon, he says, was spent in HAMILTON – they took his SIMCA car across on the (INTERISLAND) ferry.

264: They came back and had to live in a house in TE ANAU for a few weeks before moving into their newly built home at DAVAAR (then part of THE PLAINS). Remembers it being bitterly cold in the town house during a very harsh winter that year.

276: Says SALLY readily adapted to the farming life. “She seemed to be quite happy…she’s still with me anyway.”

282: Referring to living in the days before the district was linked to the NATIONAL ELECTRICITY GRID (1959 at THE PLAINS), mentions again that there was a diesel generator used for lighting in the main house. But it was switched off at night so that sleep would not be disturbed by the noisy thudding of the generator.

297: Describes as “amazing” being linked up to the GRID.

299: Laughs at the question of having a ‘Lit-Up Ball’. Says he and (young) BILL HAZLETT at BURWOOD STATION decided to hold one. Recalls that in those days alcohol was prohibited near a dance hall unless tickets were pre-sold. They got round that by having someone sell tickets at the farm gate.

310: Recalls it was an “hilarious night” with hundreds turning up from around the district. The caterer was PETE SULEYMANOVICH who had a restaurant in TE ANAU but there’s wasn’t enough food for all the people who turned out.

316: Says it was held in the WOOLSHED at BURWOOD. Comments that one or two people fell in the ditch between the SHEARERS QUARTERS and the WOOLSHED.

324: Describes the early telephone network. It required a MORSE code, turned with a handpiece. Gives an elaborate description of this system. And explains it was a ‘party line’ with most of the neighbours linked to it. But also LYNWOOD STATION, BURWOOD STATION, WARDY BEER (the acclimatisation ranger in TE ANAU) and TE ANAU DOWNS STATION.

344: Explains it was “just a single wire stuck on manuka poles” stretching all the way from TE ANAU DOWNS to CENTRE HILL (about 60kms) and from there, he thinks, a line went out to link to INVERCARGILL etc.

354: Agrees that each property was required to look after the maintenance of the line through their section, but that many didn’t. As a result, he says, WARDY BEER seemed to spend more time repairing the telephone line than on his job.

360: With the party line, says it meant anyone could listen in, or even join in by just picking up the receiver. Repeats a story of his FATHER’S when THE KEY HOTEL was also linked up.

372: Comments that they didn’t use the telephone much in those days, anyway, because the line to INVERCARGILL was so poor “it’d be a real shouting match.”

377: Recalls that when he and SALLY were first MARRIED, they didn’t have a telephone. And that it was well into the 1960s that a proper line was put in, and even after that, there was an exchange at THE KEY.

391: On the road system, says the main highway from MOSSBURN wasn’t sealed until about 1957. Recalls contractors working on it for about two years, in some areas, re-building the road.

400: Mentions that during the 1950s his FATHER owned a PLYMOUTH car and repeats that he didn’t have his first car until (the SIMCA in) the early 1960s.

406: Agrees that it was the LANDS & SURVEY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT in the BASIN that spurred on the improvements to roads and communications. Mentions that there had even been talk of putting a railway through to TE ANAU.

411: States that once the road was sealed and communications were better, no-one worried about coming over the GORGE HILL or going further than MOSSBURN as they used to.

417: Adds that he considers it a pity that more (FARM) SETTLERS hadn’t been brought into the BASIN.

420: Tape runs out mid-question about the first settlement BLOCK on GILLESPIE ROAD.

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008: Agrees that with the GILLESPIE ROAD development, it spurred them on to further develop THE PLAINS, although they’d already begun the process.

016: Explains that for a long time, people were reluctant to borrow money. “My FATHER would throw his hands up in horror with the way even we’ve borrowed money today to do things….And of course today if you don’t do it, you don’t get ahead.”

026: For example, he says, when the property became freehold, they (his PARENTS) had to borrow 30,000 pounds or so from the SOUTHLAND SAVINGS BANK and that was a “big deal” even though they were only paying between 3-5% interest.

035: States that their 1960s development consisted of ploughing up the FESCUE paddocks at about 400 acres a year which he says was quite a lot for a private place to have under plough every year for a number of years.

047: Explains they did this to improve feed supplies so they could put more STOCK on the property especially as FESCUE had become a thing of the past.

054: Replies that by the time the property was divided in 1969, the STOCK count had risen to about 10,000 EWES, and that nowadays that same acreage would be carrying 14,000. (Later corrects this to 16,000).

062: On the issue of working for his BROTHERS, says that being a lot younger, he did what he was told. Although he does admit to getting somewhat frustrated, especially when the development was being done at the DAVAAR end.

073: As for hiring workers, says they didn’t need to apart from perhaps at LAMBING time, but basically they did most of the work themselves.

080: Explains that when he and SALLY were first married, women were not expected to do farm work although she did help more when they were farming on their own. But in the first years, she was expected to look after the kids.

087: Mentions they had three SONS – the eldest was killed just before his seventh birthday in a riding accident. Says when the youngest one went to school (MARAROA) at the age of five, SALLY joined him in some of the farm work, adding that she had her own dogs.

100: Names their SONS as DOUGAL, JAMES and WILLIAM.

102: Referring back to the riding accident, says DOUGAL was friends with BRIDGET SPEIGHT (REDCLIFF STATION) and that he and SALLY went to collect their son after he’d stayed over one weekend. Says DOUGAL had slipped off the pony and been dragged along on the ground and that it was too late by the time he’d managed to reach him.

112: Admits that as a result, he was probably more cautious with their other two SONS. “You never forget it, but you learn to cope.” Adds that they had planned to send all three to WAIHI, but after the accident, decided to keep the two at MARAROA SCHOOL and they went to CHRIST’S COLLEGE later.

123: States both JAMES and WILLIAM gained school cert and university entrance level. “They’ve more brains than I have (laughs).”

136: Referring to the schooling at MARAROA praises the abilities of the principal teacher, BARRY CLARK, who’d taken up the position in 1969. And thinks it was also because of other families involved at the school.

160: On the three-way division of THE PLAINS in 1969, says he and his BROTHERS had always planned on doing it but had to wait until there was enough STOCK on it. Adds that it was an even split in terms of (STOCK) carrying capacity, although because less development had been done at DAVAAR, he’d ended up with more land than the other two.

168: The other divisions were the middle section around THE KEY, which went to JOHN and which he called BELLFIELD. Adds that GRAHAM SPITTLE lives there now. The remaining area, taken over by HAMISH, was where the HOMESTEAD is and it retains THE PLAINS title.

177: Says he continued developing at DAVAAR after 1969 and it now has a larger carrying capacity than the other two divisions.

185: Mentions that the STOCK breeds are mainly ROMNEY SHEEP and HEREFORD CATTLE, although nowadays they’re more into the PERENDALE SHEEP and BLACK (CATTLE) and exotics breeds. “It’s a real liquorice allsorts down there now, but however…it’s the money in the bank at the end of the day that counts, isn’t it?”

199: States that his FATHER died in 1962 so would not have been aware of the later decision to divide THE PLAINS. Thinks, however, that it was a good move particularly as families grow. “You’re best to make your own mark, if you’re big enough, you know, got a big enough area to do it.”

217: Says he retired from farming at DAVAAR two years ago (2002), although he was halfway there some time before that. Explains that since their SON, JAMES, returned from his education ten years ago, he’s gradually pulled back from the work.

224: Comments that the plan was for JAMES (who’s now married with a family) to take over anyway. “You get sick of it after a while, don’t you (laughs)?”

226: Mentions the younger SON, WILLIAM, has a high country property in the AWATU VALLEY, near BLENHEIM. Explains that WILLIAM inherited the bulk of his UNCLE JOHN’S (Dave’s BROTHER) financial estate which helped him to buy the property about five years ago. Adds that WILLIAM’S wife, SUSAN, grew up on a high country property on LAKE WAKATIPU. They have four children.

251: Moving on to his involvement in the wider TE ANAU community, says when their CHILDREN were at MARAROA (school), he was chairman of the school board for a while. Adds that SALLY was also closely involved with the school.

258: Admits that once the CHILDREN left school, they felt slightly adrift because they hadn’t really been a part of TE ANAU. But then he joined the local ROTARY CLUB twenty-four years ago and SALLY is involved in the local branch of the CANCER SOCIETY and other groups.

272: Considers that apart from the SPEIGHTS and their near neighbours they also formed good friendships with the ‘new settlers’, KEN and NOELINE ADAMS, the VAN UDENS, BILL and JOAN WEST, the PYNES.

285: Replies that he’s not sure the current boom in residential development around TE ANAU is a good thing, that he’d rather see more land development for FARMING. But stresses that in his view the government should not be involved in FARMING, rather it should be offering more blocks to individuals to FARM.

305: On their move to a new home in PATIENCE BAY, explains it was as a result of a conversation with a good friend JOY CLARK who they met along with her husband, BARRY, more than thirty years ago. Says that a couple of years ago, she’d recommended they shift from DAVAAR.

330: Adds that it was not long after that conversation that they visited PATIENCE BAY where the construction of their present home was nearing completion. It was on the market at a price which he admits was beyond anything he’d ever dealt with before.

340: But, says they had a look and as soon as they walked in SALLY had said it would suit her so they bought it. “Crazy isn’t it? …I would never’ve thought that we’d be living here.”

349: As for hobbies, says he enjoys gardening.

356: Mentions having been a JUSTICE of the PEACE for about ten years. But says he doesn’t get a lot of work, especially in TE ANAU.

365: On the future development of the BASIN, says he wouldn’t want to see it get too big. “I’d hate to see it like QUEENSTOWN.”

372: On travelling overseas, mentions that apart from the 1958 trip to CANADA, he and SALLY took a trip to the UK and parts of EUROPE ten years ago. They’ve also visited AUSTRALIA; twice to PORT DOUGLAS and also ADELAIDE where they took a trip on the GHAN (train) to ALICE SPRINGS.

386: Returning to his hobbies, mentions his interest in camera work. Says in 1954 he bought a movie camera for 29 pounds. Goes on to say it’s an interest that’s progressed and he’s been into video work for a while, and now with computers he does some film editing.

391: Says he’s back to where he started by resurrecting some of his old movies, putting them on digital tape and into the computer with voice-overs, music, sound-effects etc, so that the next generation will know what the footage is all about.

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