EMILY STIRLING (BETTY) DONALDSON

Interviewer: Beth Cairns

Abstracter: W. Brent Coats

First Interview: 31 March 1999

DISC 1: TRACK 1

00:01 Interview identification

00:14 Introduction by Interviewer

EMILY STIRLING (BETTY) DONALDSON (nee INGRAM) born in 1917 in DUNEDIN

00:32 Family information

Father – WILLIAM INGRAM – Occupation Jeweller and Watchmaker, then Telegraph Overseer Mother - ELSIE MATILDA JOHNSTON – Occupation Shop Assistant Sister – ELSIE MAY WILSON Brother – JOHN HENRY INGRAM

01:25 Education and employment – St. George Primary School - helped mother at home – later employment at WOOLWORTHS – ROYAL NEW ZEALAND AIR FORCE – Herbert Haines – Burghley school

02:09 Places of residence

02:33 Personal interests

02:52 Marriage details – HENRY (HARRY) DONALDSON Children – WILLIAM ALEXANDER DONALDSON – DAVID JOHN DONALDSON – IAN HENRY DONALDSON – PETER ROBERT DONALDSON

03:46 Sporting interests and coaching – Cricket – Netball – Marching

04:55 Interview with Self begins. Earliest memories in Dunedin – GLENFALLOCH

05:45 Early memories in Invercargill – seeing first AIRPLANE – Described

07:10 Hearing first Radio Broadcast - Described

07:59 ST GEORGE SCHOOL – long walk – “happy days” – Explained

08:58 DEPRESSION years – example of used socks to describe how family coped

09:43 Reminiscence with old friend – story of lost shilling coin

11:33 Memories of “warmth of love” in home – mother lighting a fire in bedroom during snow

12:24 Entertainment at home – family friends – “Back to childhood party” – charades

13:44 ENGLISH WOMEN’S CRICKET TEAM 1932 – Reminiscence

14:38 Basketball (Netball) – Kiwi Basketball Club – Cost of Tram fare - Described

16:07 Entertainment at home - Broadcasting from kitchen to front room – Cricket pitch in back garden – Mother batting and breaking window – Humorous description

19:40 ST GEORGE SCHOOL - unhappy memory – Described

20:43 Teachers at ST GEORGE SCHOOL – Miss SELBY – Miss PAY – Miss AFFLECK – Miss MCDONALD – Mr. MCFARLANE – Mr. ANDREW KINROSS

21:56 End of First Interview

Second Interview: 13 April 1999

22:00 DALRYMPLE STREET and “TOWN BELT” - Description Frog Pond – RUSSELL SQUARE – Sports grounds – Kite Flying – Bird Nesting ESTUARY – dredges and sailing boats – STEAD STREET WHARF – Described PLEASURE BAY – “warm white sand” – swimming – diving – picnicking

27:42 Transport – Cars – Bikes SOUTH INVERCARGILL TRAM LINES - Route description – Rushing to catch trams - Described BLUFF and TOKONUI RAILWAY LINES – Product transported to BLUFF PORT – Described

31:09 End of Disc 1: Track 1

DISK 1: TRACK 2

00:06 Discipline at home - Self and brother climbed over engines – Told off by father – Humorous description

01:50 SOUTH INVERCARGILL SHOPPING CENTRE – T.W. Richards Drapery – Post Office – James Millen Butchers – Ike Jenkins shop – Higgins Bakery – A.C. Millers and cost of meat pies – Farquhar’s butchery – Gallatley’s Grocery – Described

05:22 Home Deliveries – Mr. SOPER Milkman ladling milk into billy cans – bread and newspaper deliveries – Described

06:40 End of Second Interview

Third Interview: 20 April 1999

06:53 Childhood Days at OREPUKI with Grandmother MARY EMILY JOHNSTON – Happy reminiscences Train journey through THORNBURY and RIVERTON – passing burning bush for land clearance – COLAC BAY – ROUND HILL – TE WAE WAE BAY – MONKEY ISLAND – OREPUKI BEACH – Described Origin of OREPUKI name - “Crumbling Cliff” – Explained

13:17 OREPUKI RAILWAY STATION – white fences and seats – The Post Office being a place locals would gather on mail day with milk drays – Explained

14:53 OREPUKI newspaper the “ADVOCATE” - Mentioned

15:32 Seeing “imposing” WILSONS HOTEL and DARCEYS HOTEL - Explained

16:46 “Dignified” Courthouse – Lodge Building – Smelter – Public Hall – Recreation And Sports Grounds – Churches – Major Crowther’s Grocery – McNays – McPherson’s Butcher Delivering Meat On Horse And Cart – McGruers Drapery – Pophams Fruit Shop – Telfers Taxi – Bank of New Zealand – School house – Billiard Saloon – Tearooms - Described

21:50 Picnic at MONKEY ISLAND - “Lovely” memories of extended family gatherings at OREPUKI BEACH – Describes excitement descending steps from cliff to beach – long trek to MONKEY ISLAND – Remembers story of mother playing in tree as a child tree on KAITANGATA POINT cliff

24:13 Boiling new potatoes in Kerosene Tin with seawater – Rode driftwood logs in waves - Playing cricket with balls of kelp – Described

25:30 Describes size of KEROSENE TINS

26:12 Playing around the disused OREPUKI GOLD MINING area called the “CLAIMS” – cousin traversing high sluicing pipes

28:39 Grandmother – “Orepuki Mum” – her home – memories of curtains and cleanliness Washing clothes and bathing using fire lit copper – long drop toilet – Explained

End of Disc 1: Track 2

DISK 2: TRACK 1

00:00 Grandmother continued

00:52 Grandfather - THOMAS JOHNSTON – emigrated from Scotland on RAJAH in 1853 – boarded by pirates and damaged by storms Surveyor then miner and Justice of the Peace at OREPUKI

02:49 End of Third Interview Forth Interview: 22 April 1999

02:59 SPORTING CAREER – belief in positive influence of team sports on a child’s development – BASKETBALL example – Explained

04:50 1936 to 1942 Basketball for SOUTHLAND at five Tournaments – CHRISTCHURCH – AUCKLAND – TIMARU – INVERCARGILL – WELLINGTON 1944 WELLINGTON SERVICE TEAM Referee at New Zealand Tournament in NELSON

05:21 CRICKET – Represent Southland and New Zealand travelling throughout New Zealand and over to SYDNEY SOUTHLAND won South Island Women’s Cricket championship 1940 and 1941 - Described

05:52 BASKETBALL - SOUTHLAND were New Zealand Champions 1936 and runners-up in 1937 and 1938 New Zealand National Referees badge 1942 1940 New Zealand Basketball Centennial Continued refereeing and coaching – Coached RATA team in INVERCARGILL – SOUTHLAND selector SOUTHLAND BASKETBALL UNION for five years - Mentioned

08:35 Played Basketball for TAIERI AIR FORCE - Posted to LEVIN – Played for WELLINGTON SERVICES TEAM - Chosen for NEW ZEALAND SERVICES TEAM – Describes confidence derived from Referees Badge

10:29 Describes difficulties arriving home after 3 years – reestablishing herself and acknowledging changes – nominated for SOUTHLAND Basketball Union – Secretary for SOUTHLAND Referees Association – Coached RATA – Co-selector for SOUTHLAND team

12:14 CRICKET – brought up with sound of “leather on willow” – helped brother to practice his bowling - Explained

13:22 Brother encouraged Self and friends to start a Women’s cricket club Competed against other regional Women’s cricket clubs – Teams from Woolworths and Rosedale and Woolen Mills and Collegiate Parents encouraged fundraising through Princess Carnival with SOUTHLAND Tennis Association and SOUTHLAND Men’s Association – Raised money to lay Rubberoid wickets at DOON STREET - Described

17:35 SOUTHLAND Cricket Association brought W.R. PATRICK as professional coach – BOB KING and JACK DOIG played important roles in forming Women’s cricket in INVERCARGILL - Described

19:56 Gives tribute to mothers of the players – Originally no pavilion – Parents helped erect tents for meals – Mothers supported with luncheons when teams visited - Described

21:28 ENGLISH WOMEN’S CRICKET TEAM toured 1933 – Women’s team not accepted by men – English team helped change opinion – Captained by BETTY ARCHDALE – Men’s Cricket Association provided umpires – JACK HAMILTON EDNA BELL hit a “six” against the English Team – SOUTHLAND Women’s Team began to feel they “had just made it” – Explained

24:31 Nearly made a “century” against sister ELSIE (JEFF WILSON’s Grandmother)

25:27 Sailed on WANGANELLA in 1938 with New Zealand Women’s Cricket team – luncheon at WATERLOO HOTEL – Mayoral morning tea – Sailed also with Empire Games Team – Nicknamed “CLOSE SHAVE INGRAM” - Explained Mentions SOUTHLAND swimmer JOYCE MCDONALD - boxer ARTHUR SUTHERLAND – cricket team member MAISIE THOMAS

31:06 End of Disc 2: Track 1

DISK 2: TRACK 2

00:00 WANGANELLA journey continued – EMPIRE GAMES opening – Empire Team salute – Described Team achievements – Theo Allen 880 yards breaking record – Pat Booth beat record – Cecil Mathews three mile win breaking record - Mentioned

04:02 First game for New Zealand Women’s Cricket team in Sydney – Opening batter – Got “duck” - Does not remember rest of game – Humorous recollection Memories of return to INVERCARGILL – “warm welcome” – Good memories of Sydney Cricket ground and Lancaster Park – Excited to play again on Doon Street - Described

06:48 End of Forth Interview

Fifth Interview: 4 May 1999

06:59 WAR YEARS – Memory of announcement on 3 September 1939 Friends went overseas – Father in MILITARY RESERVE - Mentioned

08:45 Self and sister ELSIE joined WOMEN’S WAR SERVICE AUXILLURY – SOUTH INVERCARGILL COMMUNICATIONS BRANCH – Duties explained – Cycling through dark Parades training and drill – Fitness taught by Madam MAY THORNE – First Aid - Knitting – Explained Air Raid siren drills – Unknown threat from JAPANESE – Described

13:42 Applied for WOMEN’S AUXILLARY AIR FORCE 1941 – Selection in Dunedin – Initial domestic supplies and administrative duties – Posted to Flight Store Hanger C in TAIERI Rostered for night-flying duties in TIGER MOTHS – near accident “turning point in life” – Described 20:23 Incident while walking into slip-stream – Hot meals in mess – Reality of life in Air Force - Described

22:04 RAF Flying Officer TEMP MARTIN - Demands on WAAF – Proud to be member of “Hanger WAAFS” – MARTIN changed opinion of WAAFS - Explained

23:18 “Gentlemen of the Air Force” quote from Governor General – Public reaction - Described

23:37 Living quarters – “Angels Abode” and “Devil’s Dugout” – Barrack inspection expectations – Explained

27:26 Entertainment – 6d picture – No fraternising but hidden romances – Music and quiz nights 29:54 Familiarisation of Flight Store supplies – Training at SCHOOL of ADMINISTRATION in Levin for 6 weeks - Described

31:11 End of Disc 2: Track 2

DISK 3: TRACK 1

00:00 AIR FORCE training continued – rigorous instruction – 19 passed out of 33 and 4 were WAAFs – Explained Physical training instructor at LEVIN for 10 weeks NCO training at LEVIN for 3 weeks – Returned to TAIERI as NCO in Flight Store and as Physical Instructor - Explained

5:50 “Bonds For Bombers” story in TAIERI – Terrifying flight in TIGER MOTH – Described Flight in OXFORD aircraft – Circled parent’s house in INVERCARGILL

10:48 Annual salary and provisions – Airmen’s and Sergeant’s Mess – Described

12:53 Memory of end of WAR IN EUROPE – DUNEDIN celebrations Posting to NELSON AIR FORCE STATION – more celebrations after end of WAR with JAPAN – Atomic Bomb HARRY DONALDSON and others serving overseas – Mentioned

16:47 Employment at HERBERT HAINES Department Store for next 5 years – Berlei School of Corsetry – Promoted to buyer – Enjoyed challenge - Described

17:30 Return To Sport – Coaching Rata – Refereeing – Southland Basketball Union – Collegiate Women’s Cricket Club – Girls’ Life Brigade - Invercargill Businesswomen’s Club – Tramping Routeburn and Oreti Rocks Refereeing first NEW ZEALAND Post-War BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT 1947 - Mentioned

19:28 Marriage to HARRY DONALDSON in 1950 – 12 years “happiest in my life” Harry’s ill health – Emphysema – Early death – Mentioned

20:46 Busy years with children – school – many activities - Sunday School – Cub and Scouts - Rugby – Camps – Fundraising – “sharing grief and interests” helped Self to cope - Described

21:33 Effect of wars on mother’s generation – death of brother in WORLD WAR 1 – Mother’s experience at home during WORLD WAR 2 while family served – Briefly explained

23:40 End of Fifth Interview

Sixth Interview: 15 June 1999

23:50 Change of life – Sons maturing by 1969 – Self joined Coffee Clubs and DISCUSSION GROUPS – Introduction to “true meaning of democracy” – Interest in Local Body Affairs

25:52 Effect of reading “The Private Future” by Martin Pawley – May 1975 INVERCARGILL CITY COUNCIL Planning Committee proposed new city zoning plan – began research why early INVERCARGILL homes were built in South West area - Explained Notice of Sale – 1895 Township of RAMORNIE in SOUTH INVERCARGILL - Described

31:04 End of End of Disc 3: Track 1

DISC 3: TRACK 2

00:00 Local Body Interest continued – Early planning for future INVERCARGILL – Philosophical discussion about post-war city planning – Boom years and affluence led to property investment – Older homes converted - Explained

02:31 Development of SOUTH WEST INVERCARGILL – APPLEBY – Arts and Music – Brook Smith – Molly McAlister – May Jones – Eileen O’Bryne – Mrs McNamara – Gordon Lindsay – Alex Lindsay – Mentioned Reason for area’s decay – Worked with SOUTH INVERCARGILL RESIDENTS LIASON COMMITTEE to upgrade area - Described 5:32 Writing letters to SOUTHLAND TIMES challenging city rezoning – Received support - Claire Sutherland and Pat Chamberlain Support from Bill Barnsdale – Public Meeting June 1975 – Sister Judith – Rev. Phillips – Father Boyle – Craig Strathern – Showed CITY COUNCIL there was opposition to rezoning proposal - Explained

07:57 Reasons given in meeting for choosing SOUTH-WEST INVERCARGILL as an area to live – 1979 – COUNCIL decided to uphold proposal in favor of landlords – North versus South “Superior Area” campaign - Explained

11:49 Story about human nature – Creation of street from swampy area through “clever marketing” 99 year leases running out – houses in decay – lack of future planning - Described

14:03 Destruction of INVERCARGILL ESTUARY – SPARTINA GRASS planted creating clogging Reclaimed land not stable enough for industry – effect of INVERCARGILL TIP (REFUSE STATION) - described 17:09 Reclamation of ESTUARY and REFUSE STATION – effect on people in SOUTH WEST INVERCARGILL– letters to COUNCIL resulted in offer to erect fence - controlled tipping – purchasing compacter - Public meeting arranged to discuss – Explained

19:45 Meeting between COUNCILLOR RAY BUNTING and CITY ENGINEER K A BALLINGER about use of rezoned land for industry – Community involved in opposition – Support received from RETA KENNEDY – VALIE SANGSTER – BEULAH and BRIAN BEADLE - Mentioned 1977 received letter from Town Clerk P JONES about public meeting – Plan both opposed and supported – Described Councillor J B MUNRO outlined three proposals – Reclaimed land proved unsuitable – Described

26:01 Change to CITY Zoning Resolution No 46 took three years between first public meeting in 1975 and decision in 1978 – Mentioned Conditional use clause applied – Residents approached by agents to sell - Objection by residents to rezoning plan – Explained

29:40 End of Sixth Interview

Seventh Interview: 22 June 1999

29:52 Urban Renewal – 1979 Government Housing Scheme SOUTH WEST INVERCARGILL – Interviewed residents

30:59 End of End of Disc 3: Track 2

DISC 4: TRACK 1

00:00 Urban Renewal continued

00:46 Meeting held – Change in Government policy to preserve existing housing stock – Council support for residents - Described

02:48 NATIONAL HOUSING IMPROVEMENT NIA Programme – COMMUNITY HOUSING IMPROVEMENT Programme CHIP – First Programme 1980 – Residents Liason Committee – H Shepherd, Tess Botherway, Harry Ripia, Ray Voller, Ian Cahill, Bob Spittle, E S Donaldson – Communication between Council and Committee important – Explained

06:08 Committee encouraged to suggest ideas to Council – Widen streets – Garden plots – Changing street names – BIGGAR Street – EARN Street cul-de-sac - Described

10:16 HOUSING CORPORATION prepared to build units in NIA – Found sections in EARN Street – LAURIE HASSEN helped negotiations – Tour for Councillors led to agreement for five units -Explained

12:21 Trees and shrubs offered for NIA area

13:18 House purchased and renovated by Council - 91 EARN Street 1980 – Last residents meeting - Described LAURIE HASSEN - Mentioned

14:53 CHIP continued – Second NIA Programme began – 91 EARN Street became NIA Community Centre – Expansion of SOUTH WEST INVERCARGILL proposed but opposed by Government – Continuity in Town Planning required - Explained

18:55 ENDOWMENT FUND – 57 SOUTH WEST quarter acre residential sections – SOUTHLAND TIMES reported recommendations for changes to COUNCIL policy on leasehold properties – Councillor, Engineer and Town Clerk debate - Municipal endowments inheritance of city – Described

24:23 Self researched Finance Committee City Council reports in 1993 – Minutes lost – Self was told meeting resolutions were rescinded - Explained

25:59 Letter from Hon WARREN COOPER about ENDOWMENT FUNDS for urban renewal May 1993 – COUNCIL proposal to use ENDOWMENT MONEY for Forestry – Concern of misuse by COUNCIL – Described

30:35 Second letter from WARREN COOPER - September 1993 - Described

31:13 End of End of Disc 4: Track 1

DISC 4: TRACK 2

00:00 Second letter continued

01:28 Recommendations by LAURIE HASSEN in 1980s - Approval to freehold Endowment sections and improvement funds ENDOWMENT FUND money “misused” by COUNCIL to purchase Forestry – SOUTH WEST INVERCARGILL missed out

02:22 Letter from SELF to Chairman of INVERCARGILL CITY COUNCIL Finance Committee1993 – consideration for upgrading older areas of city ENDOWMENT FUND illegally used by Council – Profit from rentals and house sales to be used for urban renewal – Described

07:29 Poor housing in BLUFF and INVERCARGILL - Social problems – Described

11:03 Self’s submission and RICHARD KING’s comments agreed for discussion - Negotiations already under way to sell eight Endowment sections – GLENROY Investments - Signed by TIM SHADBOLT and STEWART GRANT 10 December 1993 – Explained

12:32 Meeting with INVERCARGILL CITY COUNCIL Property manager Peter Ford to discuss properties – Endowment Sections listed 83 TEVIOT Street, 262 CRINAN Street, 245 CRINAN Street, 169 ETTRICK Street, 158 ETTRICK Street, 162 EYE Street, 61 BOWMONT Street, 160 BALMORAL Drive – Mentioned Council settled for a “few pieces of silver”

16:42 Tribute to MARK PECK MP – Three letters quoted from PECK June 1995, August 1995 and August 1998 – SOUTH INVERCARGILL urban renewal – Described

21:28 Quotes from SOUTHLAND TIMES Article 1989 written by Self “Need to breathe new life into inner city” – Endowment leasehold sections - Council failed to keep Endowments for future – Described

29:31 SOUTH INVERCARGILL Rejuvenation Project – 1991 EVE POOLE introduced rejuvenation - SOUTHLAND TIMES article “Council Seeks To Improve South City” – Describes

31:08 End of End of Disc 4: Track 2

DISC 5: TRACK 1

00:00 SOUTH INVERCARGILL Rejuvenation Project continued – Council members in favour - Described

02:06 Support and assistance from community groups – Mentioned

03:51 Letter from No 1 NEIGHBOURHOOD IMPROVEMENT RESIDENTS LIASON COMMITTEE to City Council 1991 – In-house seminar – “Need action” – Community spirit recognized – Described

06:11 Letter continued - Submission showing problems and solutions – Long term plans for SOUTH INVERCARGILL – Reduce future deterioration of area – Use of Endowment Funds – Council liaise with interested groups – Mentioned

09:21 Letter continued - Rental accommodation problems – Encouragement for Council to set accommodation standards – Described SPECIFIED DEPARTURE PRODCEDURE – Committee asked Council to end this process – Explained

11:40 Letter continued - Tree planting and beautification – Committee suggestion to beautify disused Tokonui rail-line

12:11 Letter continued – Endowment Fund – Using portion to rejuvenate SOUTH INVERCARGILL – Mentioned

12:51 Letter continued – Leasehold sections – owners of properties hold key to future of SOUTH INVERCARGILL and inner city

13:12 Letter continued – Estuary and Refuse Station – Recognises placement issues – suggests end of future use of rubbish “tipping” in ESTUARY – Mentioned Between SELWYN Street and KEW Road turned into a recreational area – Mentioned

15:14 Letter continued – Community spirit “alive and well” in SOUTH INVERCARGILL – RUSSELL SQUARE – APPLEBY PARK sports clubs – asks Council to see “past, present and future” of SOUTH INVERCARGILL 17:58 Reply from Mayor EVE POOLE 1991 – Described

20:02 Statement from City Council – Need to improve image and area facilities – list of properties needing improvement – Discussion with Housing Corporation – Ensure Council properties in good condition – Council reserves looked after – Plan of action for concerned residents – Rezoning area for renewal – Possibility of recreation reserve – Committee to ensure correct covenant procedures - Described

22:18 Video taken of 120 properties needing repair 1991 to 1992 – Report presented to Council by Town Planning officer COLIN GRAY – Old age urban housing – Explained

25:47 Introduction of the SOUTH INVERCARGILL REJUVENATION PROJECT – Council Committee appointed – N Boniface, T Buck, I Capitaneas, J Fenton, m Jones, EVE POOLE

26:54 Mayoral By-Election – TIM SHADBOLT and STEWART GRANT signed Deeds of Transfer papers 1993 - 29 properties sold to GLENROY INVESTMENTS – Eight sections in middle of SOUTH WEST INVERCARGILL area designated for renewal by Council – Explained

28:25 DAVID HARRINGTON elected – no committee appointed for SOUTH INVERCARGILL REJUVENATION – Described “People are Invercargill’s greatest asset” – Poor housing – Council refusing to acknowledge deterioration of older areas – Explained

30:39 End of Seventh Interview

Eighth Interview: 20 July 1999

30:52 INVERCARGILL DISTRICT PLAN – Resource management Act RMA

31:06 End of Disc 5: Track 1

DISC 5: TRACK 2

00:00 RMA continued - First schedule - Process

01:07 COLIN GRAY arranged meeting to discuss District Plan – Self invited to SOUTH INVERCARGILL Group meeting Present were Councillor D SOPER, Self, Marie Hutchinson, Brian Jillings, Margaret Klemick, John McCulloch, John Ryan, James Whelan, Colin Gray, Ernest New - Mentioned

02:33 Combined Meetings May 1994 – Wide interest groups represented Present were Councillors N Boniface, D Mouat, M Jones, B pagan, T Buck Also C Treweek, T Mcnaughton, S Steadman, R Powley, A Vella, J O’Connor, G Piercy, M Bunce, L Pullar, W Watt, C Gray, B Richardson, T Greenwood, T Dowson, M Loan, R Pagan, M Napper, P Gare, T Boylan, J Green, H Williams, R Field, I Lineham, D Bradley, S Monaghan, W Richardson, G Hoffman, W Nicol, W Jack, M Klemick, Self, B Whelan, J McCulloch, B Jillings, A Swallow, J Roach, L Ryan, M Skerrett, K Walker, N Elder, P Fox, R Beck, B Nicol, R Collins, G Cowie, R Slaughter, M O’Connor, R McMillan, Ernest New and Tracey May Apologies from Councillor Mark Winter, Alistair McKenzie, Barbara McKenzie, Pam McMillan, Maurice Rodney, Paul Rosel, Ross Smith, Vince Smith, Marie Troon, Jill Whitfield - Mentioned

07:07 Opening remarks – Meeting fulfilled RMA Consultation stage – Five years later hearing of submissions not commenced - Described

08: 49 Self’s submission on proposed INVERCARGILL DISTRICT PLAN 1998 – Enterprise area – landscaping not significant issue – Dilapidation not addressed – Earlier commitment for urban renewal ignored Self’s opposition to DISTRICT PLAN – Enterprise area, ESTUARY and Refuse Station plan “ill-considered” - Described

13:36 Second submission accepted by COUNCIL 1998 – Effect of NITH Street change on residents – SOUTH WEST Invercargill “holds key to future of city” – Bureaucracy moves slowly - Described

16:28 Council involvement over 20 years 1979 – 1999

16:57 Lifetime of memories – fortunate generation – life used to be slower – 1937 BASKETBALL TEAM journey – MOIRA MCGRATH - Explained

19:26 Memories of RAILWAY journeys between INVERCARGILL and DUNEDIN – Rush for refreshments at stations – Seven minute for break – Explained Sunrise over OTAGO HARBOUR

23: 18 Effects of modern technologies on Self – Eye Surgery Labour -saving devices since youth - Describes 25:06 “Love of good parents” – Happy marriage – Appreciated friendships - Explains

25: 47 Self enjoys computer “toy” – Gardening “outlet’ – Son DAVID’s interest in genealogy DONALDSON family

28:04 last verse of poem “Heredity” by Woodford Rock

28:34 End of End of Disc 5: Track 1

End of Interview